people said he had contempt for mitt romney. >> oh, please. >> hold on. >> juan, remember that, a few weeks ago when his spokes people, i think you were on the show, somebody on background said that obama has contempt for mitt romney? >> yes, thank you, dana. >> and i actually don't think that's necessarily true. >> i think what you said earlier, maybe, and axelrod said this to me last night, you know what? we didn't want to get in the mud with him. you know what -- >> oh, please. he had people said romney was a murderer. he didn't want to get in the mud? >> you know people around the table, keep in mind, just in the 04 cycle, remember, bush didn't win the first debate against kerry. bush won the election. >> that's why we're going to pay attention. >> i had one and i forgot what it was. >> i'll leave with this, don't forget, expect in the next couple of days, chicago politics coming out, the release of something from the opposition research from chicago, from the campaign, expect something negative, pretty negative about mitt romney. probably -- >> he gave too much money to charity. >> com